Alcohol Intake

[geoffi]

So there's been a lot of talk lately about what constitutes 'safe' levels of alcohol consumption.

As time goes by, the 'bar' (as it were) seems to get lowered again and again.

Is it four drinks? Three? Lately there's been publicity that two drinks a day is the limit beyond which you are straying into life-threatening dipsomania.

Well.

The other day I filled in a life insurance form.

Now these folks are not axe-to-grind wowsers. They are professionals who make a living by knowing about life and death and what contributes to ending the former and bringing on the latter. They employ the expertise of a whole profession known as actuaries to make such calculations.

So, the number of 'standard' drinks per day deemed the limit of safe drinking?

Six.

Could have knocked me over with a feather.

Case closed for me. These guys make their living figuring out what is safe and what is dangerous. I'll happily accept that. In fact, more than six a day for me counts as 'binge drinking'. But that's another thread...

 

[Pollux]

I am happy with that....


Honestly, I have anywhere from 2-8 beers in a night, with the occasional "binge" of 13-14.....

But I live in a city, which means I breath polluted air, increased chance of death, I walk to work at 2am, increased chance of being run over or mugged, I grew up in an era where lead paint was standard on cots.......

you get my point, saying that doing one activity is going to kill you is a stupid argument, afterall 100% of professional athletes die.....

 

[sijani]

The world is a big bad place. With lots of pitfalls...

If you need to justify how much you drink each day then maybe you need to take a good long look at yourself.

And the realistic intake of alcohol is closer to 2 standard drinks per day.

I don't follow my own advice. But at least I'm not deluded.

 

[Adamt]

I've always wondered what physiological basis these guidelines are based around... It's obviously not the same for 6'4", 120kg Joe Bloggs and little ol' (lean and mean) 5'7", 56kg Adam.

 

[Pollux]

If you need to justify how much you drink each day then maybe you need to take a good long look at yourself.

Great truth there...

I drink because I want to, in the same way I eat what I want to....

 

[Kai]

I've always wondered what physiological basis these guidelines are based around... It's obviously not the same for 6'4", 120kg Joe Bloggs and little ol' (lean and mean) 5'7", 56kg Adam.

Why not? When it comes to chronic alcohol consumption your organs are not that much different to Joe's.

As time goes by, the 'bar' (as it were) seems to get lowered again and again.

I just use a smaller stool.

 

[LLoyd]

Why not? When it comes to chronic alcohol consumption your organs are not that much different to Joe's.



I just use a smaller stool.

I usually just fall off...

Katie (partners log in)

 

[Mantis]

I think I'll have another drink and rise above it

 

[marlow_coates]

I suppose a lot of their data comes from retrospective surveying of people with and without disease.

So the number of two drinks a day, on their (hopefully) large sample size studies, would give a significant (for the study) improvement in health than those who drink 4 drinks a day (alcohol).

These studies of course are prone to so many biases that any conclusion can be viewed with suspicion.

And don't think this is the end of it, because in 5 years some new information will alter that guideline again.

 

[Darren]

Hey Geoffi,

Dont be fooled by the life insurance form. They put 6 drinks a day on this form, and if you agree, then you are down for 6 drinks a day for the rest of your life.

One-half a standard drink a week would probably be appropriate for these lawyer driven money grabbers, otherwise they wont pay when you die (although you have paid them all your life) .

cheers

Darren

 

[jonocarroll]

I suppose a lot of their data comes from retrospective surveying of people with and without disease.

Statistics, wonderful as they are, have had the unfortunate experience akin to that of Marsellus Wallace in Pulp Fiction. Seriously - if the field of statistics is ever personified, it's coming back for revenge... akin to that of Marsellus Wallace in Pulp Fiction. h34r:

The basic idea for this 'data' is that if you average over enough people, only controlling one parameter (in this case, number of drinks per day) then any correlation must imply cause and effect. The problem is that there are just too many variables that can affect something as vague as 'life expectancy' to ever really have enough people to average over. Plus, the people you are averaging over aren't really random - they typically all live in the same city, from the same era, with the same social situations. Then you have the fun of including the guy that got hit by a bus into the 'death count'. Not to mention that very few people really have a 'drinking schedule' as such - the data uses 'average drinks per day' but I'm sure a 1 night bender of 100 beers will affect you differently to 1 beer per night for 100 nights. Drinking patterns change too, so you can't survey 30 year-olds now and make assumptions based on old folk kicking the bucket.

I'm turning this into a bit of a rant, so I'll leave it here with

"You can use statistics to prove anything; Forfty percent of people know that!"

 

[adraine]

The thing about this is a std drink for you may not be a std drink for me.... Its all shit and im bitter about it.

Silo lounge bar in newcastle are having a belgium beer dinner the thurs before easter 8 beers with 8 courses of food. Great fun i hear you say.....yes for the most part BUT they have a RSA that they deem they must keep and are limiting each patron to the 8 beers and 8 beers only no wedges no inbetweeners no nothing.....
I drink every day because i love my beer. who are they to tell me how much i can handle before ive even had a drink?
I wont be driving to the venune. There is no 0.05 limit to RSA so how can they predetermine how much individuals can drink?
The issue is things like this are few and far between in this small minded town so i have no choice.
LOAD UP BEFORE I GO!!!!

Ha they drive me to do these unspeakable acts....

 

[loikar]

So, the number of 'standard' drinks per day deemed the limit of safe drinking?

Six.

Can you post a copy of that??

I need it to show the mrs!

 

[manticle]

I think I'll monitor my own levels.

If I start pouring whisky or beer on my cereal, sneaking a hip flask at morning tea or having a nip before I go to work, then I know I've gone over the rails.

Otherwise I don't care what statistics people throw at me. I've got a 90% greater chance of living to 100 simply because I don't drive and I don't live in Sierra Leone. Beyond that I don't give a thing that I'm not allowed to say on this forum because it's rated PG.

 

[Pollux]

"You can use statistics to prove anything; Forfty percent of people know that!"

Thanks Homer

I drink every day because i love my beer. who are they to tell me how much i can handle before ive even had a drink?

As one of the few on here who has actually worked the frontline of alcohol service (I have been in casino's as a croupier for 3 years, before that I ran bars for 4 years and throw in another 2 years as a bartender) allow me to explain RSA....

RSA is really CYA (cover your arse), it has come about since Australia followed the US lead of being sue happy....If you walk out of said bar and then into the path of a bus, you could try to sue the hotel as they allowed you to get so drunk, hence the RSA laws and how pubs use them to cover themselves and their staff.....

 

[Online Brewing Supplies]

So there's been a lot of talk lately about what constitutes 'safe' levels of alcohol consumption.

As time goes by, the 'bar' (as it were) seems to get lowered again and again.

Is it four drinks? Three? Lately there's been publicity that two drinks a day is the limit beyond which you are straying into life-threatening dipsomania.

Well.

The other day I filled in a life insurance form.

Now these folks are not axe-to-grind wowsers. They are professionals who make a living by knowing about life and death and what contributes to ending the former and bringing on the latter. They employ the expertise of a whole profession known as actuaries to make such calculations.

So, the number of 'standard' drinks per day deemed the limit of safe drinking?

Six.

Could have knocked me over with a feather.

Case closed for me. These guys make their living figuring out what is safe and what is dangerous. I'll happily accept that. In fact, more than six a day for me counts as 'binge drinking'. But that's another thread...

You would have to a brainless piece of average voter/policy holder to even take this subject seriously.Get real and wake up !
I know you are only conveying the policy but by doing that you are spreading the message.Shit if I have six drinks I would think I dont have any beer left or friends for that matter.
Who's to say what an average drinker can handle, we all have different genetics , I personally come from Welsh and Baltic states ancestors , so Im able to take a few more beers for the rest of those weak bastards.
Rebel and tell those wousers to fxxx off ! Campaign for freedom of drink and freedom to think. Remember ,work is the bain of the drinking man.My rant for the night. My grandfather was literally a political soap box speaker and I think it has grown roots with me..
Drink freely.
GB


Edited for language

 

[manticle]

Drink freely.
GB

As indeed I think you may have just before you wrote that.

I think I agree with what I think I understand what I think you mean though.














I think.

 

[Online Brewing Supplies]

Thanks Homer




As one of the few on here who has actually worked the frontline of alcohol service (I have been in casino's as a croupier for 3 years, before that I ran bars for 4 years and throw in another 2 years as a bartender) allow me to explain RSA....

RSA is really CYA (cover your arse), it has come about since Australia followed the US lead of being sue happy....If you walk out of said bar and then into the path of a bus, you could try to sue the hotel as they allowed you to get so drunk, hence the RSA laws and how pubs use them to cover themselves and their staff.....

Like I said you are spreading the message for free.Do you know any one who has been sued?
TTTFO is the new acro.Tell Them to Fxxx Off with this policy.If you want to get shit faced at my place and walk out in front of a train, good luck to you, but its not my doing.
GB

Edited for language

 

[Online Brewing Supplies]

As indeed I think you may have just before you wrote that.

I think I agree with what I think I understand what I think you mean though.














I think.

Extacterly ! Like I said.
GB

 

[Pollux]

Like I said you are spreading the message for free.Do you know any one who has been sued?
TTTFO is the new acro.Tell Them to Fxxx Off with this policy.If you want to get shit faced at my place and walk out in front of a train, good luck to you, but its not my doing.
GB

While I can't quote exact sources, I recall a bartender who after a shift went to another bar, got maggot and beat up a cabbie, sued said bar for the damages the cabbie sued him for....

You can have your "not my issue" attitude, but the fact is these days, dumb arse retards are awarded big money on cases where they simply should known better, anyone remember that drunk dude who sued a council after diving into water at a beach and making myself a quadriplegic thanks to hitting a sandbank........

Court found the council should have placed signs there...