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Exceellent!!! I was gonna have to go through and see which ones I'd missed putting up....don't ever let me disparage engineers again.

Keen, thanks very much.

Ta mate, yeah, I'm thinking it came down to not being fermented out fully. Going around again, what interests me is it's 8% and there's been no comments about this, from my tasting, the alcohol didn't show up overly...till I tried to get out of the chair. Mind you, there'd been a couple other...

Common sense...if ya aian't got it, can't be taught. Good footballer, I think there's a couple cards missing...why would ya keep on rolling the dice on those dollars?

Yeah, worked out it needed to be decanted straight away upon opening mate...and thanks, it's a pretty nice beer without the carb issues. Will be playing this one again.

Hey Rog, how and when did you use the honey?

Brewmate.

Ta mate, there's a couple other things may be factors. The first beer (hoppy saison in the swap) was done with smack pack of 3711. Pack was way over date wise, and showed no life so I chucked it in anyways and gave a MJ French Saision as well. A very solid first ferment which fermented out, nowt...

Any suggestions?

Hey Earle. Back story....forgot the whirlfloc tablet during the boil (truckloads of rye and wheat), and pitched straight onto previous saison yeast cake as planned. Shoulda taken a pic, ended up with 7L of beery-looking ice cream machine sludge. Couldn't even get a channel to flow down through...

PM sent mate.

#3 is ready to go, highly recommend that decant straight to a jug or very large glass if possible, trub-like stuff not the most pleasan, thad to syphon off of 7L of sludge to bottle. Nice drop though.

Search and check out Round Oak Barrels, mate. No connection/interest etc.

Speshully if you try and use Aldi sugar...only do that once.

mmmmm, one to drink, one to stash.

Or hoals in coals. And we've had kilts up here, worn Scot style.

What happens at case swap, stays at case swap.

And fire jumping.

Thanks mate...I got no PET left, will give a glass one a try tomorrow...or two glass ones tonight and tomorrow. The first and last bottles of any fill are always kept separate, and there was nothing out of the ordinary in any of my processes with this....ashley, given it's all glass, will just...

Didn't you read all the comments about ticks and leeches from most recent QLD swap????