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#61 grott

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Posted 19 May 2017 - 07:20 PM

Great news. Don't forget you can add to kits with hops and malts, change yeast etc. What I like is it takes fuck all time to put down a good brew, you don't need a lot of room and the clean up is simple. I always think you should have a brew to drink so once you have drinking stock experiment and go for the exotic. :)

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Posted 19 May 2017 - 09:29 PM

Has anyone else gone back to brew a K&K years later and found it was better than you recalled?

 

Yep, just recently.  My first kegged beer too, so going forward and backward at the same time (but not backward in taste).  A mate, who brews K+K, wanted to brew a "Craft" beer (hate the term personally) after a recent trip to Melbourne pubs converted him from the plainer beers in life.  Anyway, I recommended DrSmurto's Golden Ale, as it gets great feed back though I'd not tried it.  Well to guide him through I bought the ingredients as well and gave the kit version a go.  Of course years on since my kit days (I used to kit brew in 2001 and did a couple on my return to Aus in 2006) I had improved in my methods somewhat, okay I have temp control down pat.  The beer is as good as I have tasted many an AG, so nothing wrong with K+K.  And that was my mates who has no temp control (fermented BRY-97 at 22C) and is not to finicky with his processes.  Mine was good too. :P

 

Keep it up fellas, fermentation process is more important than the wort creation method.  Add a few 'fresh' ingredients to the mix to spice your beers up, but concentrate on good sanitation and fermentation methods. :beerbang:  


Edited by Jack of all biers, 19 May 2017 - 09:31 PM.


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Posted 20 May 2017 - 10:22 AM

Great news. Don't forget you can add to kits with hops and malts, change yeast etc. What I like is it takes fuck all time to put down a good brew, you don't need a lot of room and the clean up is simple. I always think you should have a brew to drink so once you have drinking stock experiment and go for the exotic. :)

I got the craft ROTM from Coopers, so that'll be a fun experiment.  And you're right, it really isn't a lot of work for very acceptable results. I've noticed too since I've got the cleaning and temp down, the kit yeast isn't that bad really.  It does the job providing you're not trying to brew high strength exotic recipes.  I'll keep the kit yeast and use it for the more basic brews and keep my US-05 for the more advanced stuff.  The point of the experiment was to see if K+K can produce something drinkable with better methods, and the results speak for themselves!



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Posted 20 May 2017 - 10:28 AM

you're right Jack, 'craft beer' is just beer, the stuff everyone enjoyed for centuries/millenia before the big megacorp swillmeisters came along and made it shit.  We here in Oz haven't quite caught up with NZ/USA commercial wise, but I don't care anymore since I can make decent stuff at home for far cheaper anyway.  I've had some truly awful, shameful Australian beers in the last few years and it makes you wonder how they do it.  With all that equipment and money, how can you make something so bad when I can make something better in the shed with a tin of evaporated extract?  I'm looking at you, fake supermarket craft brewers.  Coming back from NZ I feel ashamed to be an Aussie beer wise.

 

I'm keen to put down a few mid strength kits though, can get a bit punishing drinking good beer all the time, cos generally 'good' = high ABV


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Posted 23 May 2017 - 10:42 AM

Yep, just recently.  My first kegged beer too, so going forward and backward at the same time (but not backward in taste).  A mate, who brews K+K, wanted to brew a "Craft" beer (hate the term personally) after a recent trip to Melbourne pubs converted him from the plainer beers in life.  Anyway, I recommended DrSmurto's Golden Ale, as it gets great feed back though I'd not tried it.  Well to guide him through I bought the ingredients as well and gave the kit version a go.  Of course years on since my kit days (I used to kit brew in 2001 and did a couple on my return to Aus in 2006) I had improved in my methods somewhat, okay I have temp control down pat.  The beer is as good as I have tasted many an AG, so nothing wrong with K+K.  And that was my mates who has no temp control (fermented BRY-97 at 22C) and is not to finicky with his processes.  Mine was good too. :P

 

Keep it up fellas, fermentation process is more important than the wort creation method.  Add a few 'fresh' ingredients to the mix to spice your beers up, but concentrate on good sanitation and fermentation methods. :beerbang:  

What kit did you use for DrSmurtos as the only sparkling ale Coopers has is the Inn Keepers Daughter?

 

thanks



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Posted 23 May 2017 - 09:06 PM

What kit did you use for DrSmurtos as the only sparkling ale Coopers has is the Inn Keepers Daughter?

 

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I used the final version DrSmurto posted about in a 2013 post (maybe on Adelaide brewers, or possibly here.  Can remember, but as below and I used Caramunich II, 30gm Amarillo at 0min and Lallemand BRY-97 yeast, but otherwise as he recommended below.)

 

The final kit version I made;
1 can Coopers Lager
1 can Coopers Wheat Malt
250g crystal (caramalt, caramunich, carabohemian, light/medium english crystal)
20g Amarillo @ 15 and 0 (sometimes listed as 15g @ 10, 5 and dry hop, i prefer the former)
US-05
Topped up to 20L (not 23L).



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Posted 26 May 2017 - 07:26 AM

I used the final version DrSmurto posted about in a 2013 post (maybe on Adelaide brewers, or possibly here.  Can remember, but as below and I used Caramunich II, 30gm Amarillo at 0min and Lallemand BRY-97 yeast, but otherwise as he recommended below.)

 

The final kit version I made;
1 can Coopers Lager
1 can Coopers Wheat Malt
250g crystal (caramalt, caramunich, carabohemian, light/medium english crystal)
20g Amarillo @ 15 and 0 (sometimes listed as 15g @ 10, 5 and dry hop, i prefer the former)
US-05
Topped up to 20L (not 23L).

Thanks for the information, Is the Amerillo at 0 for dry hop or added on flame out, if on flame out how long is it added for?

Also is the wheat malt added to the boil or just the steeped crystal?

 

Thanks



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Posted 26 May 2017 - 08:00 AM

I've been hearing about this Dr Smurto Golden Ale for ages, so I thought it'd be rude not to do one.
Until I went to my lhbs and they were missing some bits.. so.. being the impatient type I did a quick substitution..

DrSmurto's Golden Ale - kit version
1 can Thomas Coopers Sparkling Ale
1 can Coopers Wheat Malt
250g Caramunich
50g chocolate
15g Cascade @ 15 min
15g Cascade @ flameout
US05 rehydrated

After 9 days, (FG 1.010)
Dry hop
25g Amarillo (back in stock this week 😂)
15g Citra

So totally changed it 😂😂

Anyway...

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 08:33 AM

Thanks for the information, Is the Amerillo at 0 for dry hop or added on flame out, if on flame out how long is it added for?
Also is the wheat malt added to the boil or just the steeped crystal?

Thanks


20 gm boiled for 15 min, then 20gm at flameout then cool as best you can. Pot in sink of cold water etc