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#1 Les the Weizguy

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Posted 06 December 2008 - 10:00 AM

This is the discussion topic for the recipe: Teninch Dampfbier

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Posted 06 December 2008 - 11:47 AM

This is the discussion topic for the recipe: Teninch Dampfbier

I'll be brewing this again soon, as it seems to be a nice quaffer, as it's a Bavarian-style steam beer.
It's a warm fermented low-bitterness pilsner.
Prime low and drink early (and probably fast, too).
This is a peasant's ale and a make-do style, similar to the California Steam beer style, for people who could not afford refrigeration and a lot of hops, except this one uses a weizen yeast instead of a lager yeast.

I'll get back here once it's ready for tasting, but the potential is great! :beerbang:

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Posted 14 November 2015 - 02:08 PM

Brewing this again tomorrow. Should be good for Summer guzzling.

Been a while since I brewed this, but got motivated again yesterday, and picked up the ingredients from the Brewman today.

Scaled up to a 40 litre batch, and W3638 (Bavarian Wheat yeast) substituted, as I'm planning another Weissbier soon, using Briess Bavarian wheat DME and maybe some Southern Cross hops.

 

Please follow along. Brewing notes and tasting notes to be added.



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Posted 14 November 2015 - 02:21 PM

Dosen't appear to be in the recipe data base - another MIA!!!

 

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Edited by wobbly, 14 November 2015 - 02:24 PM.


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Posted 15 November 2015 - 06:39 AM

Recipe is here, in the "What are you brewing II" thread. I got some good feedback in the NSW 2008 Xmas case swap here and here too and a few following posts.

Stuffed if I know what happened to my Recipe in the Database, as it was there yesterday morning.

 

If I recreate it, is it possible that a Moderator can merge this with the discussion topic which is auto-created?

 

Nice opportunity to necro a thread too.

 

Edit: Please try this link to the recipe Database (edit-edit: page 24 of the Ales listings, in case the link again again becomes useless), and post your comments/thoughts/wonderment. (Wobbly, your pants are on fire. Just because the search function can't find the recipe, doesn't mean that a human search cannot. QED)


Edited by Les the Weizguy, 15 November 2015 - 07:00 AM.


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Posted 15 November 2015 - 07:39 AM

I remember the first version of this one, interesting beer, sort of what you get when Germans go Farm House should be a cracker with the warmer weather coming.

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Posted 15 November 2015 - 08:29 AM

I remember the first version of this one, interesting beer, sort of what you get when Germans go Farm House should be a cracker with the warmer weather coming.

Mark

The style is a "make-do with what you got" farmhouse/ peasant beer. What the bogans (the poorer bogans, not the cashed-up ones) would be drinking if they made an all-grain German ale.


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Posted 25 December 2015 - 02:49 PM

Brewed 15/11. No-chilled. Pitched 30/11. Due to issues with fridge temp controller, this fermented at 4°C for the first week. I set the fridge back to 21°C on 5/12, but the temp only rose to 16 and then 18. On 8/12, the beer was only 40% attenuated, and 2.5%.

12/12-  Refractometer says 6.0 Brix (1.009 corrected s.g). 5.1% abv 80.8% apparent attenuation
24/12 - Finally kegged and bottled. 19 litre keg, 10 litre keg and sundry 500 ml bottles.
 
Kegs (19l and 9l) were placed in the keg freezer and carbonated at 20 PSI overnight.
 
Today the beer is mid-dark gold and smells lightly hoppy, malty (in a Munich way) with some mild phenolics from the yeast, and a bit flat and under-carbed.
Flavour has Hallertau up front, with a dry malty finish and lingering but mild bitterness and malt. Too much bittering hops, but still quite balanced. Quite easy to drink.
MHB, Interested in a sample?
 
Sorry but, as a mate says, you don't taste the first one, as it just whets the appetite.

Edited by Les the Weizguy, 10 February 2016 - 05:01 PM.


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Posted 09 February 2016 - 08:33 PM

Sampling tonight. OK, so I filled beer jug, but it's disappearing like it was only a taster.

Results:

White creamy thick head, which fades slowly in my glass.
Colour is pale-mid gold and slightly hazy. Alluring.
Aroma has lots of fruit, mostly apples and malt, floral hops, light fruity alcohol, spicy mild cinnamon and pepper.
Biscuity malt character in the aroma comes through in the flavours.
Fruity/ malty balanced character with mild floral hop flavour with some mild peppery phenolics definitely invites you back for another sip. Just enough phenols to complement, not overwhelm the beer.
Medium body and some slickness on the palate, and then a dry, malty, biscuity, slightly bitter finish makes this a taste you want to repeat.
As the beer warms, some bready character supplements the fruit and malt.
A great balanced warm weather session ale, which is now gone. (*Don't worry - just the 3 middies, more in the keg).
 
Attached File  Dampbier Feb 2016.jpg   243.75KB   47 downloads Edit: Pic added
 
Hope this entertains and educates.
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Edited by Les the Weizguy, 10 February 2016 - 05:04 PM.


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Posted 09 February 2016 - 08:57 PM

Sounds awesome. It's definitely booted out someone towards the top of the brew list.

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Posted 10 February 2016 - 12:15 PM

On the list! Be good to have this next to an Altbier on tap....

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Posted 11 February 2016 - 09:34 PM

You won't regret it. I polished off a 1.2 litre glass boot full tonight, and bottled a couple of plastics (700 odd ml) for a comp and a mate at work.

When you make a good beer, you gotta share, unless it's absolutely awesome. Then tell NO-ONE!



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Posted 11 February 2016 - 09:53 PM

Hey Les,

 

I recall discussing this one with you some time back.

 

Sitting here thinking.. mmm, wouldn't mind one of those. A beer style that is off centre - something different.

 

Thanks for the thorough commentary and tasting notes.

 

I don't think there are too many brewers that don't share their awesome beers. It's why we are here as Brewers.

 

Cheers Steve



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Posted 14 February 2016 - 04:52 PM

Hi Les,

 

Been hot here and I have been flat out. Just cracked a beer, and was the Dampfbier you so kindly left me.

 

Was sipping it thinking, if the peasants were drinking this, at least they had some quality beer in their life. Really enjoyed that. Fruit, spice, some malt and all things nice. Prompted me to go look at the recipe again. Was that fermented with the 3068 Weinsptephan, starting cold?

 

If it was that yeast I would not have picked it. was surprised when I saw that.

 

Thanks again.

 

Cheers Steve



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Posted 14 February 2016 - 05:19 PM

Hi Les,

 

Been hot here and I have been flat out. Just cracked a beer, and was the Dampfbier you so kindly left me.

 

Was sipping it thinking, if the peasants were drinking this, at least they had some quality beer in their life. Really enjoyed that. Fruit, spice, some malt and all things nice. Prompted me to go look at the recipe again. Was that fermented with the 3068 Weinsptephan, starting cold?

 

If it was that yeast I would not have picked it. was surprised when I saw that.

 

Thanks again.

 

Cheers Steve

You know I favour the W3638 Bavarian Wheat yeast.

Was grateful that you allowed me to collect my grist today, and drop off those beers for the comp too.

 

Glad you enjoyed it. Definitely a cold start at 4°C for the first week. The yeast actually had started it's work and was sprtizy, but malty when I sampled some, so I might ferment the next Weizen with a cooler start (go back to the 30 degree rule).

 

*Edit: Yeah, I agree that it's a hybrid beer much more than a peasant ale. Not a nasty compromise at all.

 

Got some other feedback today that the Dampfbier is similar to Redback (I gave him a stubbie). Difficult to believe there's no wheat in it.


Edited by Les the Weizguy, 14 February 2016 - 05:20 PM.


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Posted 14 February 2016 - 06:12 PM

Wow. 4C! I missed that in my first read.

Edited by Mardoo, 14 February 2016 - 06:12 PM.


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Posted 21 February 2016 - 07:02 PM

and the results are in:

1st place Specialty (Other) - Newcastle Show Homebrew Competition

Just got pipped for BOS coz no-one (judges) knew what the beer was meant to be like (they just knew it was clean/ nice).



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Posted 22 February 2016 - 09:41 AM

Judged this in both the flight and in the BOS round - it was the clear winner in the flight and a very close second in the BOS. As mentioned its hard when you don't have a style descriptor to judge against, it moves the process toward the subjective, rather than the objective evaluation that most judges are trained to do.

I think it says a lot about the beer that it did as well as it did given the handicap.

 

Very much in the "Farmhouse" family with some interesting typical wheat beer characters, mega session-able and a beer that I might have to brew for myself in the not too distant...

 

Well done Les, and to the other brewers that put up some top beers

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Posted 23 February 2016 - 12:16 PM

I remember going to a few Dampfbier Brewpubs while in Germany many years ago. 

I remember this place: "Dampf - Das Borbecker Brauhaus" in Essen. 

Drinks menu (Dampfbiers on page 2): http://www.dampfe.de...te_englisch.pdf

And here's their takeaway bottles (to see the colour and clarity), http://www.dampfe.de...usser_haus.html 

I'm pretty sure I also did all-you-can-eat schnitzel at this place.  :ph34r:

 

EDIT: And yeah - I'm keen to give the recipe a try.
I'd rather keep it authentic and not do the 4C ferment start, but it sounds like you've made this a few times, Les? And that the 4C start one was easily the best Dampf you've made? 


Edited by kaiserben, 23 February 2016 - 12:51 PM.


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Posted 23 February 2016 - 04:47 PM

I have only made this 3 or 4 times, and the 4°C start was an accident as I had a jumble of fridge wires, after a flood, and the probe was stuck in the wrong fridge that wasn't turned on. The ferment temp is recommended to be about 25°C.

 

Next time I will try a start at 16°C for 2 days and increase to 24 or 25 to finish out fairly quickly. I read that the ferment usually only goes for 3 or 4 days at the Erste Dampfbier-brauerei in Zwiesel.

 

Was happy with the other times I made this beer. One was an NSW case swap IIRC, and I would not have started the ferment cool, back then.